I think the difference between bonkai and delena is that if you’re shipping bonkai you’re shipping the hypothetical of what they could’ve been if they stayed on point with the new Kai after the merge. Delena canonically happened though and in the worst way.

jelly-bean-jones:

I mean I agree. I don’t really try and defend my absurd inner BonKai fangirl either way because he still was a sociopathic murderer before the merge and tried to kill Bonnie like, a lot, but I suppose that is true to some degree.

I disagree with this on a lot of levels mainly because there are a lot of people such as myself who ship this as a dark ship pre-merge and all. And even if that wasn’t a factor that doesn’t really scratch the surface of the differences.

  1. Chemistry: The reason why in spite of everything you love Bonkai but not Delena, and the same with most Bonkai fans, very few like Delena and that’s because their chemistry doesn’t have the draw of Bonkai. It’s visceral, it’s there the moment their on screen together. While Delena it’s lacking in a lot of ways mainly with how they portraying the characters together. They kept trying to convince us that they were explosive and had so much sexual tension, and what they ended up giving us was a repetitive mess.
  2. Power Dynamics: While Damon and Kai have hurt both girls there is a vast difference in the power each girl has to defend herself. Not only that but there’s a vast difference in why they’re hurting them. Kai hurts Bonnie in response to her hurting him. His attacks aren’t completely unwarranted because how are you supposed to treat the girl who killed you with a pickaxe? And in kind, Bonnie can, and will, defend herself with the same force he uses. Elena can’t do that, but worse, she won’t, and Damon knows that. He holds all the cards–even admits it in season 8–Elena forgives him for everything. And when Damon hurts Elena it’s completely unwarranted. Boo Hoo, his feelings are hurt, that doesn’t warrant bodily harm to her and her loved ones.
  3. Relationship Dynamic: As much as Plec would like to believe that Delena is a dark ship, it isn’t. It doesn’t have any of the elements of a dark ship but it does have the elements of an abusive relationship which would be dark if that’s how the relationship was played narratively. Delena, of course, was meant to be the bad boy tamed by the good girl and then is redeemed (which I’d like to note isn’t dark either, so Plec was failing even more than already was). The problem with this is Damon is never “tamed” which weirdly makes complete sense because he never has any consequences from Elena or anyone. Further, she tried to have Elena “corrupted” to tack on to the “dark ship” thing she was going for but that doesn’t work either because Elena has about as much character development as Damon does, i.e none. So what you end up with is the mess that is season 5 where the dark dynamic is forced through an on and off again relationship. That’s not dark, that’s just ship wank. Bonkai have that dark dynamic Plec was going but never had the presence of mind to create. It mostly happens due to the chemistry of the actors. When Bonnie objects to something Kai does, she truly does object and does something about it, but what separates it from the generic villain/hero dynamic is the underlying sexual tension. Every scene Chris and Kat make it seem like they want to jump each others bones but without losing sight of the characters or their motivations. You don’t have that with DE. Elena voices her displeasure with Damon, but a) never does anything about, b) keeps “hoping” he’ll get better, and c) there isn’t the same tension there as there’s with BK. You don’t feel like they want to be together, and that’s due to Nina and Ian not being able to convey what Plec wants which I guess comes down to chemistry again. And then there’s the matter of corruption, what truly dips into the depths of darkness. Kai had an effect on Bonnie, when she came back she was more fierce, selfish, and cut throat. They weren’t even a couple and he had more of an effect on her than Damon ever did Elena. The most he did was make her slightly more dismissive than she already was (and trust me she was always that flippant, she’s always been blinded by the dick).
  4. Likability: Let’s face, as characters Bonnie and Kai have a lot more to offer in general, but are also just simply more likable. Elena, as much as they tried to make her relatable, she just became the the bland damsel in distress, and Damon, he was a character with absolutely zero motivations so he just came off as an asshole. Together they were so insufferable they tanked the ratings. Bonnie and Kai actually saved the show, they were the reason for the boost in ratings because Kai was the first interesting new character in a while, and Bonnie was finally getting some much needed screen time and development, and together on screen they were explosive. They were finally the edgy ship the show had been waiting for, but got cut for bland and blander’s repetitive nightmare.

kingcobrakai1972:

does anyone else have a hard time with writing damon’s voice in fics? why is his voice so oddly specific

Weirdly I don’t have an issue writing him and you think I would given all the flack I give him but it’s for the reason it’s hard for you, his voice is oddly specific.

When writing his dialogue I I always make sure he’s never direct. I do that with most characters because I don’t like dialogue as exposition but with him I have to do it in a special way where to the point that he’s avoiding whatever the topic is altogether because that’s his characterization.

His actions I can make sense of when writing because while his impulsive randomness is apart of his characterization Plec still managed to make that OOC, but I use the same rule as with his dialogue, never direct, does everything to avoid being direct because no matter what it’s never something he wants to do. Which is also a weird facet of his character, with as selfish and self serving as he is he never really does the thing he wants to, everything is an inconvenience.

But probably what you’re having issues with is that though his voice is oddly specific, it’s also all over the place, particularly when Elena is involved. Considering you like this ship to a degree you might get his actions while he’s with her or their about her, but from what I’ve observed they turn his character into what I’m going to call PlecBot which essentially is doing everything Plec wants him to do via fanservice and completely ignoring his characterization.

Like when Elena broke up with him and he starts murdering mindlessly. Now him being a murderer isn’t news or out of the ordinary but his motives were as in he had none. His reasoning for killing has always been off, but there was at least some semblance of logic to it, like he’s hungry, annoyed, hell I’ll even take bored as a reason because that’s right up his alley. But randomly killing people with a guy you feel guilty about because he’s sad??? doesn’t make a lick of sense since that’s not what he does when he’s sad, he wallows, kills people and wallows, but always wallows which none of that happens. In fact I would even say he was sad which brings me back to what are you motives?

And over the course of the show he’s done several things in this vein that makes you ask, “what are you motives?” The answer usually is “to create Delena drama” which is stopped watching in season 5 because they had exhausted that with me, a casual viewer, bu that point. Anyway my point is that he has some very specific and strong characterization that often gets lost in Plec’s Delena fantasy which makes him a hard character to peg down because his identity almost seems like to be that but it’s not. That’s not a character, it’s Enzo (who I’ve often described as pieces of a character) but if he had something distinguishable about him. And there are distinguishable things about him unfortunately they aren’t there much after season 1 maybe 2 and they do sorta come back more frequently in seasons 6-8 but as long as his sole motives are “delena drama” without any basis for it they become lost and that masks his character (pretty well I might add).

If you are a fanfic writer be careful! Delenas are stealing ideas (entire stories) for their shitty SHIP

scorpio-karma:

Ideas are really cheap, two writers can have the same idea and execute it completely differently and neither is considered plagiarism or infringement.

However I would give them a break because as much as they like to talk about “all that build up” there really isn’t much there at all. The most significant symbol in their relationship is a necklace Stefan gave to Elena. Their “real” first meeting is taken from LJ Smith’s, I believe fanfiction at the time After Hours in a scene between Bonnie and Damon. And as proven by seasons 4, 5, and 6 they don’t function AT ALL. They’re stealing ideas from other ships because they have to. They’re the most delusional shippers because they have to be, the ship doesn’t give them anything to work with. Plus given the source material and the original writer DE as we know it, you can’t expect much better from the fans — they only know what they’ve been taught.

All that aside, they really should come up with their own ideas or finally learn to cut their losses and jump ship because as I pointed out there is nothing there to work with.

kingcobrakai1972:

god, the fucking dialogue in the pilot, lmao.

stefan: “i needed to know you were ok”

elena: “you know for months, that’s all anyone has ever asked me, and i say i’m fine”

stefan: “do you ever mean it?”

???? lmao

if a bitch came to my doorstep in the middle of the night, i’d be like?? ok, goodnight? i wouldn’t start vomiting up shakespearean poetry with them

The dialog was always the least of my gripes mainly because they just bored me too much to even pay attention. I used to think D/E was the more interesting dynamic but they were boring as well with a side of annoying, and then I stopped watching the show all together. You would think after enduring D/E I would appreciate S/E more but they were just there being boring and bland, but Elena is boring and bland so it’s no surprise that I find both of her ships boring. A ship can really only be as good as it’s characters. I honestly can’t think of a single Elena ship canon or fanon that I found had an interesting dynamic which is why I would have been perfectly fine had the show ended with Elena and Matt, at least they would be in equal footing and there would have been an overall point to keeping Matt around.

maleficaarum:

unpopular opinion: Alaric compelling away Elena’s good memories of Damon was not a tragedy, she was finally freed of all of Damon’s manipulations

Ehh…I wouldn’t call it a tragedy but I also wouldn’t call it freeing because it proved absolutely nothing because nothing changed. Damon wasn’t even perusing her at the same intensity as he did before and she still went back to him mostly at her own insistence.

The only thing that could free Elena from Damon is Elena, and she never actually wanted to be free of him hence why she never leaves him. Much like Damon never changes because he doesn’t want to change neither does Elena because, well, that’s how change works.

davidxhaller:

“i’ve always hated tyler. ever since he treated caroline like crap and stopped delena from bring bonnie back for some witch he ended up murdering anyway. i hate him. he’s tvd’s worst character. why bring him back just to bitch and complain?”

fuck the tvd fandom forever. 

You see I do understand Tyler’s motivations because he’s never been one just do what the MFG wanted, but at the same time Bonnie saved him and was his childhood friend so I did expect him to be a little more helpful in getting her back.

But the thing is even with Tyler’s interference Damon and Elena had more than enough time to save Bonnie but instead stayed stationary on MF discussing relationship shit nobody cared about and could have easily been discussed in a car if necessary. They should have met her halfway, but instead they doddled around and as a result Bonnie is left alone after they gave her false hope. Tyler wasn’t really to blame for their screw up.

p-tonkins:

I still can not believe after Damon killing Tyler, that Eléna went back to Damon

Can you really?

• Season 1: After witnessing the marks left on Caroline and him nearly ripping out Bonnie’s throat, she befriends him a few episodes later.

• Season 2: After snapping Jeremy’s neck because she rejected him she forgives him a few episodes later.

• Season 3: After turning Bonnie’s mother for her and thus causing a wedge between her friends she forgives him in that same episode.

• Season 4: Sire Bond, but still forgives him for making her turn her switch off (and yet doesn’t take any responsibility for any of her actions while it was off).

• Season 5: THE ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON

• Season 6: After losing every good memory of him absolutely nothing changes.

Damon has threatened and killed people she loved and cared about and she’s never really cared then, why would Tyler be any different to her, it’s not like she cared that much about him to begin with? If it’s out of her sight it’s out of her mind.