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Lol no she didn’t even like the comment. But I agree, it was random so I doubt it was sincere. But I’ve always said that Kat seems to be more aware about how tvd has treated her in recent years. I never understood why she stayed on the show despite all the sidelining but I think she genuinely thought they’d treat Bonnie better and when they didn’t, she cut them off, which I’m happy about.

November 13, 2018 — Leave a comment

Yeah, she’s aware, more than we are, what replying to that comment will lead to.

As for why she stayed on the show, there’s many reason but I’m going to list a few:

1) Her contract wasn’t up. While they could kill Bonnie, and thus fire her, at any moment the same wasn’t true for her. She could have quit if she wanted but that would have stopped her from being able to take other work not just due to the contract but also risk being blacklisted. If I recall correctly sometime before season 5 she tried to get out with the perfect opening of Bonnie’s death but of course Plec kept her on because how can the show function with her magic fix-it.

2) Kinda in that same vein but for different reasons, she didn’t want to be blacklisted. For the same reasons why Paul, Ian, and Nina can talk shit about the show but not her, she isn’t given the luxury of doing what she wants due to racial biases. You think the fandom is crazy every time she expresses any displeasure with the show and call her “ungrateful” imagine how Hollywood would react. To them she was always a diversity quota, if she steps out of line they’re going to move on to the next one who “acts right” acts “grateful” for the opportunity.

3) As you stated, she thought they’d treat Bonnie better, and if you’ll notice right when contract was about to end was when Bonnie’s storylines were getting better and it looked like she was going to be a lead. Of course we know what happens after that, and Kat does too because right after the BS from season 7 she announced season 8 as her last season which is when her next contract expired.

4) Steady paycheck. Like it or not TVD was the most consistent work she’d ever had which is such a shame because she spent a lot of her time on the show worried they were going to kill her off any second so she saved her money before getting some basic things she needed. We already know that everyone who stayed stayed simply for the money and continues staying because that’s all they have, but now Kat isn’t in need of the steady paycheck they provided because she now has steady work and just continues to get more.

Now that she doesn’t need TVD she has stayed classy in separating herself from it by ignoring anything to do with even when she’s promoting her stuff, unlike a certain other cast mate (Nina), she’s finally speaking out about some of the things she faced while on the show, and still manages to be active with her fans. I’m happy for her and I’m happy that she continues to ignore everything to do with that toxic fandom.

Different anon but carina was always the worst imo simply because she flip flopped on what/who she liked on the show. She used to do tvd reviews and always had something negative to say about Bonnie yet claimed she loved bonenzo. Also when people spoke about how problematic tvd was her go to argument was that she didn’t write for the show yet never addressed said issues in her reviews so it’s just like….why.

November 12, 2018 — Leave a comment

I never watched TO past S1 so I don’t know much about her. The most I knew was that she was essentially the equivalent of Caroline Dries for TO (who I know worked on TO but briefly as I understand) and based on theis she sounds exactly like the crack pot kind of writer TO would hire. In fact she sounds like Julie’s other half.

I can’t really condemn anyone for flip flopping with which character they liked simply because each character flip flopped when they were likable, however she’s supposed to be a writer a d should be able to identify that this is a writing issue, and that there are several writing issue and she can’t even do the minimum of that.

What she is however is a fan girl of the series that takes everything written as law and doesn’t think much else about which is what her like Bonenzo after not liking Bonnie tells me. You know what kind of people do that people who follow the narrative to a T even when that narrative is problematic in so many ways. She doesn’t write for the show but that doesn’t mean she can’t analyze it, in fact if she was writing reviews that’s exactly what she should have been doing but seems to have failed. I’d hate to read what she truly thinks a real “analysis” of the show is.

I was referencing carina,one of the writers from TO who commented on one of Kat’s posts on insta congratulating her on her film. Idk I just found it funny considering she’s never mentioned Kat before yet she’s spoken about Nina and is good friends with Candice it just seemed fishy. Idk if they want her on legacies or whether they see that’s she’s doing well and want to attach themselves to someone hoping she’ll mention the show or idk it just stuck out because Kat’s never been in her radar.

November 12, 2018 — Leave a comment

I find that super weird as well especially since as far as I know she barely knows Kat. She primarily worked on TO and Legacies, had nothing to with TVD and Bonnie never had any crossowe episodes, so beyond a con here and there I don’t think they’ve had much contact.

Weird but I have no explanation for it other than trying to get her on Legacies or she’s trying to use her like the show did with the “I’m not racist I have a black friend” because she’s also faced a lot of backlash in that department as well as Plec for her work on TO.

November 8, 2018 — Leave a comment

Unnecessary Drama TVD 2×17 Review

I guess this could be the title of the show, but feel this is especially true with this episode because right from the jump things are dramatic and I don’t understand why starting with Jenna.  

Okay so since I haven’t been watching this consistently so I might have missed some context clues but rage and betrayal???? Rage and betrayal about what Jenna? Like, I understand being mad that they kept it from her but other than that am I missing something for this dramatic reaction to Isobel just saying hi. Have they been lying about something she knows about now to build up to this point, but even if so I don’t understand this dramatic reaction. Fundamentally I know why she’s being like this, the writers needed an excuse to send Jenna away. However with in the context of the plot it makes absolutely no sense and makes her seem childish in ways she’s not supposed to.   

And Elena, I guess I should be proud since she’s never seemed more like a teenager than now, but blaming John for this. What even logic? Does she remember the argument she had a few episodes ago with Stefan about getting Isobel and they ended up with John TO GET TO ISOBEL. Looks like you’re boyfriend’s plan worked. Now I’m not advocating that she be mad at Stefan but you want to be irrationally mad why not direct it at the right person. All John has done since getting to town is protect his daughter which frustrated me whenever she’d tell him “not after everything you’ve done” WHAT HAS HE DONE? Someone sincerely answer that question because I’m drawing a blank. It’s crap like this that fuels the mentality this fandom has of “you’re mean to my favorite character so your a bad person” because if Elena, the character the writers are so keen on me caring about, does this why would the fandom be better. So he tried to kill Stefan and Damon, his logic of protecting Elena still stands since they haven’t really done anything worthy of “I’m different” in terms of vampires. 

Also, you know the more I rewatch this the more and more sympathetic I am towards John, and he seems more and more sincere. While I didn’t hate him in my first watch I was always suspicious of him and that’s because the characters of the show build this suspicion around him. Now knowing his endgame as a character I don’t buy into this suspicion anymore because he has always been honest and sincere about his motives as character and they never involve harming other people. He spent his who existence on making sure his daughter had a good life, he wasn’t about to let two vampires she “loved” ruin that. Granted not all teenagers are clueless and not all adults are always right, but in this instance teenage girl is clueless and needs to listen to the actual adults. 

I’ve never really realized how little I care about Alaric and Jenna as a couple until episodes like these. He really never seems like he cares about her that much until he’s about to lose her which is a red flag in my book. And I guess that makes sense since there was really nothing to hold the ship together, it was just “you’re attractive” and “you’re attractive” and nothing went beyond that. They never had a deep connection and it shows in moments like these where he doesn’t care about her unless he’s about to lose her. 

Ford product placement. I know I sound like the CinemaSins guy but they are really not subtle about this. It doesn’t actually surprise me much since when I used to watch it weekly back in the day I remember them doing this often especially with songs but it was always with the car. Before it was Bonnie’s Prius other than that I don’t remember what the car was I just remember “hey this is a great song” and then the network notified you what the song was playing. Product Placement! With this episode in particular it really bothered me with how they shot it because it pans to the rear of the car, shows the license plate, then like shows her in the car, and they make it seem really eerie like she’s about to get run into, or someone is watching her but neither are happening it’s just Ford product placement. It was like, thank you for this unnecessary scene and this unnecessary shot to please your sponsors.  

For all of Carol Lockwood’s failings I’ll give her this: she notices when her kid is it’s missing which is more than I can say for most of the adult characters here. Did Jenna really even notice when they sent Jeremy away? I don’t recall the Sheriff being all that interested in where Caroline was for those days she was with Damon? I guess she wasn’t gone because they hid out at her place but seriously how didn’t she notice anything going on with her daughter then? And Jenna literally ups and leaves when she feels like it.  It’s what made her death actually sad—her love for her son which I’m glad for since TVD does such a bad job with familial bonds, but she is the only character besides John to seem like an actual parent. 

I still don’t understand why Jeremy is there. Like I always knew he was third wheeling it on their plans every time I guess it was nice it was always about Bonnie but other than that I was like, dude you have no function, what are you doing here? I mean I guess Damon doesn’t really need to be there, actually no, scratch that, he was needed to find the place and then after that he leaves which is what Jeremy should have of done.  

Which idiot hid the moonstone? I bet it was Damon, but I don’t understand why he has it when Lucy gave it to Bonnie. Like I said I haven’t been watching consistent enough, the episode this occurs I watched over a year ago but I don’t remember Bonnie giving Damon or any Salvatore the moonstone. And can we talk about how lame the name is “moonstone” it gets more and more ridiculous the more everyone says it. It sounds like something written by a child. But serious I get he was going for “in plain sight” but the bathroom which is frequented by many people including one you let in who you don’t trust. Y’all shoulda left that with Bonnie who could at least seal it in a place with magic.   

Why are Bonnie and the Bennett’s the only one to be put through pain, like they’re the only ones to have horrific deaths, and even worse, why do her ancestors insist on putting her through more pain?  

I thought it couldn’t get more cringe worthy than when Damon was essentially reciting his lines earlier about trying to save Emily, but dear lord Matt. He doe not do anger well, he looks like someone told him, now, be mad, and gave the director the best he could muster up which isn’t great. But he did better with the deception, even though I knew where it was going I doubted myself for a moment and thought maybe he was sincere. And his conversation about Caroiline with her mother saying “I think she died” while was actually very touching also just reminded me of the many times Bonnie died and it’s never confronted but Caroline, who I’ve noted on many occasions is barely relevant to the plot, has this confronted multiple times and she only died once. Just saying–this blatant favoritism toward Caroline that tends to always result in Bonnie being treated less than human gets on my nerves so much I can’t even enjoy what would otherwise be a great scene.    

I’ve seen a weird amount of hate for Isobel which I find weird. Not because she’s a good character or anything, but because of how much of a blimp she is on anyone’s radar. Even her actions compared to the others are so small. There could have been a nuance to her character and to a degree it’s there because her motives were clearly protect Elena, but beyond that she was always kind of lackluster. Also added with Nina’s acting, or lack there of, when she dies in front of her just makes me even more confused as to why anyone cared enough to hate her. Even when Elena is saying she’s sad I can barely believe it because well Nina doesn’t sound sad when she’s saying those line, she just sounds like she always does which is why always found it hard to empathize with her in the beginning of the show. The only reason I knew she was sad about her parent death was because she said it, there was nothing that really emoted this feeling. If she can barely muster up feelings of grief how am I supposed to even sympathize about it. That just distanced me from feeling like they were real people that were in her life, and just made them random fictional characters to add a tragic backstory. It’s really no wonder why I never really cared about Elena from the start.

“If you use to much power you die,” how doesn’t anyone else already know this? That’s literally what killed her Grams which brings me to Bonnie, she always knew this, saw it happen, but why is she so keen repeating history. If she truly believes her powers are meant for more then she should probably know that they were meant for more than saving Elena’s life. But of course this is The Elena Diaries so that’s never going to happen. Instead we’re going to have Bonnie’s mother risk her life and leave her daughter all to protect Elena, because that makes a lick of sense. 

Bonnie their secret weapon, nothing has ever been more cringe worthy. Seriously watching Damon and Stefan discuss Bonnie like she’s an object they possess has never sat well with me. This is again one of those moments where I can’t get on board with Stefan as a character because he isn’t better, he’s just better than Damon and in this moment he’s proving to be the exact same as Damon if not worse because he’s the first to note this–he was the one to look back at the situation and point her out as their object leading the conversation there.

Klaus in Alaric’s body, you know I always felt he did possession bad especially in season 3, he just seemed like a creep and not in the way he was supposed to, but here he did an exceptional job. I almost wish Joseph Morgan had taken more cues from his portrayal because he managed to get the “ancient being” in his voice and mannerisms better. It’s like with JM they just told him “be British and use Shakespearean English” and called it a day. I’m not saying I didn’t like JM version of Klaus, but it’s clear where they started going wrong with this character. With the way Alaric is portraying him he is the most intimidating he’s ever been and that’s because everything built around him is actually living up to the hype. The show later just paints him as a whiny man with daddy issues and no real goals because trust me his plans get ridiculous after that and they dropped pretty much everything about Klaus from season 2. I probably would have enjoyed Klaus more if he had stayed this version, or at the very least did something worth while because I think we can all agree that the hybrid subplot was just a complete mess and pretty much marks when Plec took over as show runner because she has never been able to see the full picture. She just writes as she goes and hopes they connect at some point. psss, they never do.

Overall the episode was frustrating, but every episode is which is why I have to have at least two drinks before watching. Which I honestly don’t know why I do. I got drunk for the finale and that didn’t make anything seem even the slightest bet better, so why would it now. However in my defense, the finale is a complete incomprehensible mess so nothing was going to make it better in the first place.

November 6, 2018 — Gallery — Leave a comment

earmole:

I promise you the anti-baby sentiment is still alive and well

Plec really loved them baby plots, it’s like she forgot she’s writing a supernatural show.

Who do you think had the shittiest fans in the tvd fandom? Or just annoying. Because when I tell you nian shippers can not let go of the past….

November 5, 2018 — Leave a comment

So I honestly didn’t pay attention that much to the actors irl and their fans but from what I’ve seen and experienced Nina’s fans seemed like the worst simply because of them all I’ve seen the most Nina fans drag down Kat and other actors from the show to simply make her seem better and I noticed the same thing from Elena fans. Like they’ve gone out of their way to do this and all they’ve proven is that Nina really needs people to prop her up, at least with the amount of harassment needed for people to “truly appreciate her”.

Ian’s fans have a school girl quality to them that just mostly makes them cringey which the same can be said for Damon fans. The amount of mental hoops I’ve seen them make to woobiefy Damon, and blame Caroline for what Damon did to her, they are the worst just on morality’s sake but the amount of just plane Damon fans I’ve seen isn’t that much they just mostly blur into Delena fans who honestly get their own category. Of them all they’re obviously the worst and from what I’ve seen have the lowest IQ.

Stefan fans, because I don’t really know much about Paul’s, while nowhere near the worst have a self righteousness to them which has always stopped me from completely liking Stefan because while I agree he’s the better brother, he isn’t better in general. Without the contrast of Damon, Stefan wouldn’t fair all that well.

Caroline fans (again not that familiar with Candice’s fans) weirdly make it up there with you Damon/Delena/Elena fans. I remember once I was in the anti-Bonnie tag researching the unfounded hate she gets and found that the majority of the posts there were from Caroline fans. I thought this was peculiar until I remembered that the first faction of the TVD fandom to hate on Bonnie was Caroline fans who felt Bonnie owed Caroline after she was turned. In later years the complaints didn’t stop, they even went as far as to call Bonnie a Mary Sue. I thought Damon fans were DElusional but to convince yourself that the magic negro of the show is a Mary Sie when Elena is right there, hell Caroline is right there, I’d almost have to give them the award for “most dense” if an entire faction of the fandom didn’t ignore sexual assault (Delena).

But I do have to give up to Nian fans. Reminds me of season 5 Delena. You keep shouting at them CUT YOUR LOSSES, THIS DOES NOT WORK, but damn they are adamant about that OTP at the detriment of the characters, and the actors. They both moved on to better things and so should there fans because there are so many better things they could do with their time than harrass people about a relationship that ended over half a decade ago.

However none will ever be as delusional, racist, sexist, you name it as Julie Plec fans because it’s her writing and the way she wrote her shows incited most of this. People can easily deny what Damon did to Caroline because Plec does. People feel perfectly fine saying racist things about Bonnie because that’s how the show presents her and every character of color. People feel fine about valuing the female characters only by who they’re dating because that’s all they’re valued as on the show. So people stanning Plec, claiming sexism as the reason for the flack she gets, and giving the pieces of shit I can’t even call mediocrity because that would be giving her too much credit attention–one can not get worse than that.

Anyway from my limited scope which is mostly from the perspective of a Bonnie fan who doesn’t really care about anything outside of her, this is what I’ve observed so I say decide for yourself who the worst fans.

November 4, 2018 — Leave a comment

kingcobrakai1972:

does anyone else have a hard time with writing damon’s voice in fics? why is his voice so oddly specific

Weirdly I don’t have an issue writing him and you think I would given all the flack I give him but it’s for the reason it’s hard for you, his voice is oddly specific.

When writing his dialogue I I always make sure he’s never direct. I do that with most characters because I don’t like dialogue as exposition but with him I have to do it in a special way where to the point that he’s avoiding whatever the topic is altogether because that’s his characterization.

His actions I can make sense of when writing because while his impulsive randomness is apart of his characterization Plec still managed to make that OOC, but I use the same rule as with his dialogue, never direct, does everything to avoid being direct because no matter what it’s never something he wants to do. Which is also a weird facet of his character, with as selfish and self serving as he is he never really does the thing he wants to, everything is an inconvenience.

But probably what you’re having issues with is that though his voice is oddly specific, it’s also all over the place, particularly when Elena is involved. Considering you like this ship to a degree you might get his actions while he’s with her or their about her, but from what I’ve observed they turn his character into what I’m going to call PlecBot which essentially is doing everything Plec wants him to do via fanservice and completely ignoring his characterization.

Like when Elena broke up with him and he starts murdering mindlessly. Now him being a murderer isn’t news or out of the ordinary but his motives were as in he had none. His reasoning for killing has always been off, but there was at least some semblance of logic to it, like he’s hungry, annoyed, hell I’ll even take bored as a reason because that’s right up his alley. But randomly killing people with a guy you feel guilty about because he’s sad??? doesn’t make a lick of sense since that’s not what he does when he’s sad, he wallows, kills people and wallows, but always wallows which none of that happens. In fact I would even say he was sad which brings me back to what are you motives?

And over the course of the show he’s done several things in this vein that makes you ask, “what are you motives?” The answer usually is “to create Delena drama” which is stopped watching in season 5 because they had exhausted that with me, a casual viewer, bu that point. Anyway my point is that he has some very specific and strong characterization that often gets lost in Plec’s Delena fantasy which makes him a hard character to peg down because his identity almost seems like to be that but it’s not. That’s not a character, it’s Enzo (who I’ve often described as pieces of a character) but if he had something distinguishable about him. And there are distinguishable things about him unfortunately they aren’t there much after season 1 maybe 2 and they do sorta come back more frequently in seasons 6-8 but as long as his sole motives are “delena drama” without any basis for it they become lost and that masks his character (pretty well I might add).

“And the thing is Nina and Candice aren’t ugly in any sense”. Exactly but they have an unfair advantage when they’re dressed better than Kat and have all these close ups and slow motion shots of them walking down stairs. Combined with majority of the male characters having been in relationships with them. The notion created is Bonnie/Kat is undesirable and is basically in the background

October 30, 2018 — Leave a comment

Not only is that the notion created, but that was intended. That’s exactly how Plec wanted her view and any time she had to put her front and center she did it begrudgingly. Like Prom, or any event that she got to dress up too, she was usually in the most underwhelming–with the exception of the decade dance. Giving her a love interest, there was very little development and everytime they barely got scene time with both Jeremy and Enzo. If she was the center of a storyline she always lost the most and had to do the most work to the point that they had her value her own life so little. And in the end she always managed to turn thing right around and make them about Elena or Caroline.

You know what makes me laugh about tvd ending? Is how hard the Plec tried to make Kat look basic and frumpy? Every season if there was any type of event or ball, Bonnie was never there and if she was, she’d have the most plain ordinary dress so she wouldn’t steal the spotlight. All I know is if they put effort into Bonnies clothes, she would have blown everyone out of the water.

October 29, 2018 — Leave a comment

For real. She could obviously look better and these are mostly looks she styled herself. Plec and Co. probably scared her for life on letting other people dress her.

And the thing is Nina and Candice aren’t ugly in any sense however Plec knew if she was ever able to dress like this she would outshine her basic ass characters and that’s on her. If she wanted more interesting main characters she should have written some because downplaying Kat’s beauty did her no favors in that department because they were still basic, and Bonnie was still her most interesting female character now just in frumpy clothes.

“It’s really telling what people decide to focus on.” Right though. Like season 6 was the perfect opportunity for Kat to be the female lead. Because a) Nina had left b) Candice was pregnant c) Bonnie had been the most relevance from the books and d) Bonnie was the only one who was actively pushing the plot since season 1 yet none of those fans were trying to give Bonnie the justice she deserved the way they were when she was cast as black.

October 29, 2018 — Leave a comment

Season 7, but yeah. Here’s the thing Plec knew this which is why she kept teasing it, baiting Bonnie fans with more focus, a better love interest, pretty much everything we had been complaining about and delivered on nothing. The best she did was Enzo and absolutely no effort was put into that. They had a whole season to develop them and not only didn’t but had to have a flashback episode that essentially explained fuck-all and then wanted us to think he was the end all be all and be congratulated on this “effort” by Bonnie fandms. Of she didn’t because we see right through her everytime and it’s that Kat/Bonnie is just a box for her to check for diversity, she had no interest in telling her story in any sense.