What do you think about the treatment of blacks characters in the originals? because I want to know what is the difference with Bonnie’s treatment.

thefudge:

hmmm, i think the fact that TO isn’t entirely behooved to julie helps. and by this i mean, TO isn’t just white girl fantasy.  oh it does use black bodies in gross, dehumanizing ways. oh, it does supplant their own stories and prioritize white vamps, buuuuut TO has a liiiittle bit more self-awareness and is also set in NOLA, it can’t outright ignore its legacy. i watched very little of this show but kept up with some storylines and all i can say is…TO does this cheap thing where it gives black characters humanity and range but….it’s all for nothing; they either die horrifically or it turns out their humanity was conditioned by their white counterparts.  

sooooo idk. the difference is there, but it’s still the same bait-and-switch bullshit

I only watched the first season of TO, and though race isn’t handled as badly as TVD it’s not handled well. First, it’s a show set in NOLA but has a majority white cast. In NOLA about 60% of the population is black and only about 30% is white. I don’t quite remember what the background extras of the show looked like but their major characters that weren’t TO could have gotten more diverse than Marcel definitely and would have been a more accurate representation. Like I said I haven’t watched since season 1 but as far as I know they’ve only added 2 maybe 3 more black characters and I think most of them died. But I don’t know.

And then there’s the entitlement issue that always comes with Klaus but has now been applied to a whole city that he thinks is “his” and spends most of the first season trying to “take it back” from Marcel. While I don’t think an entire city should belong to anyone but that didn’t set up for a great dynamic of Klaus trying to make things the way they were by taking them from Marcel, a former slave that he saved and because of that he apparently owes him everything due to such. However this may be something that cleared up since I last watched the show.

But then there’s the werewolves. I’m n the TVD universe I’ve always equated their treatment to that of the Native Americans where vampires the white man who have committed a near genocie on them to the point that they’re hard to find because there’s not many left and they’re in hiding, but TO takes one step further by essentially banning them to a reservation. From what I hear this doesn’t get much better as werewolves were always disregarded in this universe so it doesn’t surprise me.

I have read a few metas about seasons I haven’t seen and they basically confirm the fact that while TO is better, but not much better and have found new ways to be racist. So, no, they don’t handle race well:

thehollowprince:

It’s no secret that I dislike the Mikaelsons – hell, at this point, I actively hate them – but this last episode has me livid in so many ways I’m not entirely sure where to begin with this rant.

For starters, there’s Freya.  

I never really liked or warmed up to this character, who seemed to just be introduced to make up for the fact that Rebekah wasn’t a main anymore and they needed another pair of ovaries to balance out all the testosterone.   Since then, she’s just been there, and I’ve neither liked or disliked her, up until she condemned Davina’s soul to that torment to save her family from a threat that they created in the first place.  Since then, my hatred for her has only grown, starting with this building “romance” with Keelin, which is really just Stockholm syndrome, and then to her building that stupid dagger to kill Marcel, because he’s too powerful for her and her family’s comfort.  Does this bitch seriously not get that her paranoia over him being too powerful and unkillable is the exact same reason we have the Beast in the first place.

Having an ouroboros being the recurring theme/symbol this season is fitting, given how the Mikaelsons just continue to repeat the same mistakes they’ve made over the last thousand years.

And now let’s move on to the bigger issue I had this episode.

One Elijah Mikaelson…. my hatred for him burns with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.  Watching him and Hayley is one of the hardest parts of every episode.  It has all the intensity and fascination of watching paint dry.  I much preferred both of them with Gia and Jackson, both of whom were killed off for not other reason than to set up Halijah, which is just bad writing.  Like, if you can’t get these two characters together without killing off others, than you have a problem with your own writing.

But what he said to Marcel, his monologue at the end – good gods, do these MIkaelsons like to monologue!

Elijah: But you and I, we both know he’s always regarded you as something of a son. So did I once upon a time. In fact, I used to believe that you were the key to my brother’s redemption.

Marcel: Redemption? He’s never gonna change, not even for his own daughter.

Elijah: Oh, but he already has. She (Hope) has changed him. You Marcellus, you are not needed, welcomed, or wanted. You have only been spared purely because you are my brother’s greatest weakness. And I cannot show mercy towards anyone who would demonstrate threat towards this family. And if indeed you should prevent the redemption, of the cruel, the wicked, the vindictive Niklaus Mikaelson, I promise you, I will deliver another kind of nightmare.

This was not only just insulting, but evil in ways that I don’t have words for.  As someone who is adopted – and that’s what Marcel was, even if not officially – this was beyond insulting.  This is akin to having my family come to me now that I’m all grown up and saying that I was never really a part of the family, just a pet project to amuse themselves with until they eventually had their “real” kids because they forgot to use protection.

Elijah has his head so far up Klaus’ ass that he must be under the impression that it’s a hat of some kind.  And Elijah’s obsession with his brother aside, the fact that they decided to keep Marcel locked up in a sewer is not only insulting, it’s racist – I mean, you take one of two strong black characters left on this show and make them subject to the elitist white asshole with delusions of their own grandeur.

It’s sad to think that after all these years with this universe, that I think I’ve finally decided to just stop watching.  But… I mean… I’ve reached the point where all I want to do is complain about the show anymore, because not a lot is anything I like.  The only reason I tuned back in this season was to see more of Josh and to see Marcel be the powerful one for a change, but here we are, five episodes in and they immediately came up with a way to kill him.

Let’s talk about TO’s increasingly Racist Narrative with the Mikaelsons and Marcel Gerard.

hopepeaceandblackgirlmagic:

Disclaimer: This is VERY long. I’m putting most of it under the cut because of length. I thought about cutting it short but this is a topic that’s very important to me so I decided to not cut words.

So after Friday’s episode many viewers, especially black viewers were left with a very real feeling of discomfort following Elijah’s speech to Marcel. Because of that discomfort many of us have expressed how the narrative, and Elijah, has skewed into racism, an accusation that makes some viewers feel uncomfortable.

Here’s the truth though, in a way it should make some people uncomfortable. If you didn’t feel uneasy about the idea of racism in a narrative that you like then I would have to question some things about you. With that said, I’ve seen a lot more efforts to shut down discourse about the accusation or explain away the behavior many people find problematic than I’ve seen to actually understand it and why we might feel that way. That’s a problem, it’s a big problem when this discussion is something that’s actually very necessary for this show, and many TV shows. When writers take on the task of crafting a narrative that includes minority characters, there is a certain level of awareness and delicacy that many are going to expect then to have when it comes to these characters. When they offend their audience and mishandle the characters they have been entrusted with then they deserve to be taken to task for that. It doesn’t matter if the offense was intentional or unintentional. This is especially the case when you have a writing staff who pats themselves on the back for trying to be aware of social and racial issues that are currently at play in our society.

I personally don’t think that writers are obligated to treat every black character or every character from a marginalized group like a delicate flower that can’t be harmed in any way shape or form. That’s not what I’m talking about here. What I’m talking about is when you take characters from marginalized groups and carelessly handle them in a way that ends up pushing a racist narrative.To give an example, killing a black character doesn’t automatically make a narrative racist but pushing an idea where a black character is consistently targeted by white characters, denied humanity and is treated as disposable flesh then that is indeed a racist narrative. That kind of dynamic has historically been an issue in this world and it is still an issue. We can discuss whether the racism that seeps into our fiction a little too often is intentional, and I don’t personally believe it always is, but we have to acknowledge that it’s actually there first.

That’s why we need to talk about The Originals and Marcel.

What they did to Marcel in Friday’s episode, what they had Elijah say to him, and the narrative that built up to that moment was racist.

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“Hope is a far cry from a French Quarter fortune teller”

irresistible-revolution:

 a French Quarter fortune teller

a French Quarter fortune teller

a French Quarter fortune-

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OH RLY KLAUS

WELL if you hold the Quarter and its witches in so much contempt why the fuck are you in New Orleans trying to establish some empire or whatever the fuck your family has been doing for the past few seasons hmm????

GOD i swore i wouldn’t rant about this show and it’s bald faced anti blackness because WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT but goddamn “french quarter fortune teller” was the last mfking straw.

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stjckshjft:

The originals makes me uncomfortable and after a few seasons, a lot of Discourse and finally putting words to gut instincts I had about many shows and their treatment of poc, here’s my conclusion

This white supremacist’s wet dream vampire family and the way they treat the denizens of this town that is comprised of mostly soc (supernaturals of colour fwm) is very self insert for their villain apologist audience

Just the way I see fandom talk about the black “antagonist”, excuse me “opposition” might be the better word here, marcel gerard, is all I need to know about this show’s fans. The animosity towards an otherwise sympathetic character who by all accounts has been loyal to these people but has suffered at their hands immeasurably because he’s been deemed time and again as Other, a character who is now understandably disillusioned and vengeance-filled after a series of devastating losses at their hands and continued slights from a group of people he thought cared for him, a character who struggles with identity and autonomy, because he was a motherfucking slave and servant boy, and just wants to control his own destiny for one minute damn, a character who doesn’t constantly want to be benched and discounted and cast in the overlong shadow of his white benefactors… marcel is such a complex study in humanity, ego, love, fear, avarice, inherent goodness, all of it, so you’d think he’d be a “cinnamon roll” to be protected at all cost, but no, because we know why

Like ol boy wants justice for himself and his, but any move he makes against this aryan dynasty is met with coded gems, the most popular of which usually calls for either
klaus ~his sire/pseudo-father~ to kill him or
for some halfass subplot to kill him or
for him to ‘learn’ his place because The Family always wins or
for him to stop whining because of course his feelings are inconsequential (when what they really want is a circle jerk abuse of White Power forever never mind what that would do for this show’s narrative…shit would’ve been cancelled after season 1 do not kid yourselves)

All this basically boils down to what I already knew but just needed to put into words. Klandom’s desire to see characters of colour submit to their white favs who do evil and suffer no real consequences is how they feel beyond television. It’s this family’s right to victimize simply because they’re all white and conventionally attractive to the white gaze and lore carried over from its sister show made them OP and untouchable

The originals and its undertones re: marcel, reminds me very much of all the ways Bonnie Bennett used to get shit on in the vampire diaries, the way its fans used to complain about her (and surprise surprise want her killed off), even before she had arcs of her own and interactions with characters outside being of magical service

This is all just a reminder that I can’t have nice things where tv is concerned as a person of colour, specifically as a black woman 🙄