It’s pretty much Meredith’s fault that Elena is a vampire. Will there be backlash?
Torrey: Here’s what I’ve been saying, and I really do stand by this: I think Meredith should be getting praised for this! People don’t realize there would be no more Vampire Diaries if Meredith hadn’t saved Elena’s life. She’d be dead! I think we should all acknowledge that.
Speaking of Julie, she recently said Meredith would be a “stabilizing force” for Damon this season. Can you elaborate?
Torrey: I think you’ll see a bond grow between Damon and Meredith. It’s cool because he’s this erratic character, and she really holds her ground with him and with all the other characters. She’s strong-minded and doesn’t put up with his bulls**t. So deep down, whether he acknowledges it or not, he admires that about her. That’s how their friendship begins, really. x
Second, what does “Doesn’t put up with his bullshit” mean in the Plec/Dries era? Nothing! It doesn’t mean anything! Alaric was friends with Damon for about a year, and Damon killed the man one month before he died. Why? Because Ric was getting on his nerves! That’s it! Ric was saying shit he didn’t like so he snapped his neck. Damon doesn’t change. He stay at square one. To Julie, it’s more important for Damon to stay Damon and be problematic and all of that. When you get in Damon’s orbit, you get over yourself, he doesn’t get over himself. What’s “doesn’t put up with his bullshit?” He does something, you say something, and it goes over his head 2 episodes later? Stop. Damon doesn’t change or conform for anybody, he does what he wants. He used to act right back in season 1/early season 2 with depending on who was talking to him (Bonnie), but JP/Dries are in charge now and they think Damon being an ass is cute and entertaining.
Alaric, a man Meredith had only known for like three weeks, show-time, told her that he killed her cousin, and she said, “Ain’t no thang. I got no opinion on this stuff.” So I don’t know how she’s not going to put up with Damon’s shit. Not putting up with Damon’s shit is lip-service, because the show portrays something different. Let’s not act like people not putting up with Damon’s bullshit is even a thing anymore. Everyone puts up with his bullshit because he still feels free to act out with no regard about what anyone will think.
Imma need Meredith to be as relevant as Ric was before Matt Davis defended JP on Twitter and she let that direct her writing.
EDIT: Hold on. My eyes glazed over the introduction of the article, so I missed this:
With her boyfriend gone, and her purpose in Mystic Falls seemingly fulfilled, many fans are wondering WTF Meredith (Torrey DeVitto) will be up to on The Vampire Diaries this season.
With her boyfriend gone, and her purpose in Mystic Falls seemingly fulfilled,
Help me. What was Meredith’s purpose?
Meredith was a doctor in Mystic Falls, a place where many people are sent to the hospital if they’re lucky, and people were worried about what her place would be because she doesn’t have a boyfriend?
This is what I mean h6 ships are currency. While I won’t say Meredith was the most relevant character she had a role that was about as important as the sheriff’s and the fandom couldn’t even see that.
Seriously, people need to let TVD go and let Legacies die. It was not a great series because all it’s doing is continuing the legacy of sexism, racism, and misogynor.
I honestly think people have a hard time separating fiction from real life and these reactions are based mostly on the show because they literally act like Nina is Elena, Ian is Damon, and Kat is Bonnie, but even without the show for context that’s no excuse for the way they treat Kat. It also doesn’t excuse their own internal racism because Plec may have framed as though it was okay (which it never was) but that was all it took for them to come out–she didn’t create their racist mindset she just nurtured it.
As for Nina, I never really paid attention to her but now that I’ve had a glimpse, I don’t understand why people keep on defending her. She’s a mediocre actress, petty, manipulative, and if the kind of company she keeps is any indicator, she’s problematic af. She’s not worth the fight.
I don’t understand it and I do at the same time. She has hardcore support for pretty much the same reason Ian does and that’s because of The Vampire Diaries and the hype the show gave both of the characters they portrayed.
Julie kept calling them “passionate” but let’s call a spade a spade, they were bat shit crazy. A good portion of her fan base is just Delena fans, which is a fandom known for being loud which is why she uses them when she needs to promote something. DE has one of the most toxic fans I’ve ever seen, but she doesn’t denounce them, at least the way Ian did, because she knows that they can come in handy sometime and will never go anywhere.
It’s also worth noting that she can’t denounce them the way Ian did. As a male he does have an advantage here where he won’t get completely trashed by the fandom and his career if he does where Nina won’t. So that is a factor in that but either way she does have control still by ignoring them, which she does, often.
Essentially her bat shit crazy fans are the left overs from TVD and the worst of them which is why she and the other cast members have several people at their defense when something negative is said about them. Kat has no such luck.
However that’s also because of the kinds of insults that’ll get sent your way for defending Kat which are usually racially charged and I don’t blame anyone for not wanting to deal with that kind of bullshit. Defending the other cast members the worst thing that gets thrown around is being called an idiot by someone who’s clearly illiterate.
So like I said I don’t pay that much attention to the individual cast members, the most I pay attention to is Kat and that’s just because I want her to succeed out of spite due all the shit she went through on TVD and the fandom.
Nina, aside from a few interviews here and there that I’ve seen and I watched one Paley fest panel with all of the cast, I haven’t seen much of her irl persona. The one thing I only noticed us that she was almost as bland as her character, like there wasn’t much to her, nothing really about her personality to attach to. She was just there, you could have replaced her with any other pretty brunette and it would yield the same results (which is incidentally how I feel about Elena minus the hair color since that obviously didn’t matter in casting). Like Candice, who isn’t even all that interesting either, has more of a distinct personality that one can attach to.
So I get what you mean by manufactured because she seems like someone who’s just trying to be as neutral as possible and the few moments she “lights up” it seems fake. But I don’t think she liked TVD or the fandom, just liked the attention they brought because as you said, she doesn’t acknowledge them and when she does it’s just to promote something new she’s in. I honestly don’t understand why she still has such passionate fans, she clearly doesn’t care about them, and going by Bo Burnham’s philosophy, she’s not still entertaining them so why are they sticking to her through thick and thin?
Although I remember about a year ago I found a post on this forum that gave me a little more insight to her.
Nina was a heavy smoker. She would smoke a few packs a day and would always smell like an ash tray when she came back in. She is very tiny and the camera added weight onto her but she is stick thin.
So after reading that she sounded like she was stressed the fuck out about something. I don’t know if she’s still that stressed out but I do know that now she actually looks stick thin on camera so that does not bode well.
Ian is funny because he hates his ship but still attends cons to hear teenaged girls scream his name, but his fans think he can do no wrong. Paul fans come across as self righteous at times. They love to label Kat as problematic whereas Paul has mentioned his love for woody Allen multiple times. Which is another thing. Obviously I’m generalising because I don’t know all of them but one thing that’s apparent is that they cannot leave Bonnie/Kat alone, she’s always seen as a threat 2/2
And the funny part about it is that they only see Kat as the threat. I don’t see any of this hate when it comes to the other actors and when there is there’s always someone there to jump to their defense so they never even have to acknowledge it. Kat, much like Bonnie, has always had to fight her own battles, and that’s not to say she doesn’t have people coming to her defense, but the fandom gets real real quiet when something bad is said about her (or Bonnie for that matter).
To them she was never even supposed to be cast as Bonnie because of the color of her skin in the first place, so the fact that she’s having any success after that just kills them.
So I honestly didn’t pay attention that much to the actors irl and their fans but from what I’ve seen and experienced Nina’s fans seemed like the worst simply because of them all I’ve seen the most Nina fans drag down Kat and other actors from the show to simply make her seem better and I noticed the same thing from Elena fans. Like they’ve gone out of their way to do this and all they’ve proven is that Nina really needs people to prop her up, at least with the amount of harassment needed for people to “truly appreciate her”.
Ian’s fans have a school girl quality to them that just mostly makes them cringey which the same can be said for Damon fans. The amount of mental hoops I’ve seen them make to woobiefy Damon, and blame Caroline for what Damon did to her, they are the worst just on morality’s sake but the amount of just plane Damon fans I’ve seen isn’t that much they just mostly blur into Delena fans who honestly get their own category. Of them all they’re obviously the worst and from what I’ve seen have the lowest IQ.
Stefan fans, because I don’t really know much about Paul’s, while nowhere near the worst have a self righteousness to them which has always stopped me from completely liking Stefan because while I agree he’s the better brother, he isn’t better in general. Without the contrast of Damon, Stefan wouldn’t fair all that well.
Caroline fans (again not that familiar with Candice’s fans) weirdly make it up there with you Damon/Delena/Elena fans. I remember once I was in the anti-Bonnie tag researching the unfounded hate she gets and found that the majority of the posts there were from Caroline fans. I thought this was peculiar until I remembered that the first faction of the TVD fandom to hate on Bonnie was Caroline fans who felt Bonnie owed Caroline after she was turned. In later years the complaints didn’t stop, they even went as far as to call Bonnie a Mary Sue. I thought Damon fans were DElusional but to convince yourself that the magic negro of the show is a Mary Sie when Elena is right there, hell Caroline is right there, I’d almost have to give them the award for “most dense” if an entire faction of the fandom didn’t ignore sexual assault (Delena).
But I do have to give up to Nian fans. Reminds me of season 5 Delena. You keep shouting at them CUT YOUR LOSSES, THIS DOES NOT WORK, but damn they are adamant about that OTP at the detriment of the characters, and the actors. They both moved on to better things and so should there fans because there are so many better things they could do with their time than harrass people about a relationship that ended over half a decade ago.
However none will ever be as delusional, racist, sexist, you name it as Julie Plec fans because it’s her writing and the way she wrote her shows incited most of this. People can easily deny what Damon did to Caroline because Plec does. People feel perfectly fine saying racist things about Bonnie because that’s how the show presents her and every character of color. People feel fine about valuing the female characters only by who they’re dating because that’s all they’re valued as on the show. So people stanning Plec, claiming sexism as the reason for the flack she gets, and giving the pieces of shit I can’t even call mediocrity because that would be giving her too much credit attention–one can not get worse than that.
Anyway from my limited scope which is mostly from the perspective of a Bonnie fan who doesn’t really care about anything outside of her, this is what I’ve observed so I say decide for yourself who the worst fans.
Candice has neither Auburn hair or green eyes. Jeremy’s a character that simply doesn’t exist neither does Jenna, they’replace holders for Judith and Margaret. Matt’s last name isn’t Donavon, and Vicki isn’t his sister. And yet with all of these cosmetic differences none were made as big of a deal as the fact that Bonnie isn’t Black in the book. It’s really telling what people decide to focus on.
POC of TVD 