“I died last night.”
bonnie bennett
so re: bonnie stabbing and leaving kai behind in the 1903 pw…
it can be deduced that damon and bonnie conspired to betray kai (i think there’s a deleted scene where bonnie tells elena as much right before they portal jump back to the real world). we, the viewers, also see a very different kai bc we saw the effects of the merge on him. bonnie did not. she saw his half assed apology and his flirting at the dinner about the 1903 ascendant… she didn’t really spend enough time with post-merge kai to see there’s a new him, not really.
my question is…had kai not made that comment about gutting her all over again, (which was enough provocation given he played nice on thxgiving and then stabbed and abandoned her), do we think bonnie would’ve followed through on stabbing and leaving kai? like, had he been nice and mildly annoying the entire afternoon and made no off the wall comments about the potential of him hurting her again would she feel justified in stabbing him in the back (literally and metaphorically)? would she have attacked him? or just tried to stun him and then leave him? would he have had a chance to explain himself (or her to find out she couldn’t kill him)?
thoughts?
I’m going to preface this by saying I was completely on board with Bonnie leaving Kai and for me this was never some big injustice to the characters. While I agree that more consequences should have been doled out towards Damon for me that doesn’t equate every evil character gets the same treatment as Damon i.e slap on the wrist. It just means Damon needed consequences.
With that out of the way I don’t think it would have changed much. I remember the episode when Kai tries to apologize and she has it out with Damon. She has a phone call right after to Jeremy where she essentially breaks up with him and tells him she’s different now via voicemail. She was out for blood to begin with and I always felt crediting Damon with the idea was an injustice to Bonnie because I felt like that was something she would have done on her own regardless. The only reason the idea is credited to Damon is because the writers needed a way for him to get back into Bonnie’s good graces.
But back to the question at hand, had she seen his change more would she have reconsidered? No, her speech after her grabs her and shouts “listen to me” explains why because even with Luke’s empathy the old Kai is still in there and seeing the change wouldn’t make her think otherwise because for her that’s not a real change.
Which brings me to the issue I have with most redemption arcs on TVD, the change is always due to someone else, it’s never a conscious decision on their part. With the exception of Tyler–because you can trace back to the first episode of season 2 when Tyler decides to be better for himself because he doesn’t like himself in his current form, and you can trace several actions where he works at this that aren’t related to other people–every character who goes through “a change for the good” it’s all due to someone else, usually romance. Kai is an exception since it’s not due to trying to get the girl, but it still a change he wouldn’t have otherwise done himself and when that’s the case the change is otherwise fleeting for as long as those circumstances are in place.
And feel like Bonnie knows that. She didn’t trust him when he started “changing” for Elena especially since he threatened her life often after. She never trusted Klaus when he “changed” (which is weird to say since he has a redemption arc but stays absolutely the same, it’s almost as confusing as Damon’s), and she definitely never trusted Katherine like every smart person. So seeing him changed really doesn’t seem like the factor that would change her mind about him.
In fact, based on what makes her feelings change for a person, “being good” does not seem to be a factor at all, time is. Spending 4 months alone with Damon is what makes him a friend to her. Spending 3 years in forced confinement with Enzo is what changes her opinion on him. Hell, even Nora, spending more time with her, getting to know her is what sparked that friendship (and the route I feel they should have went romance wise in S7 instead of B*nzo). So the only thing I think would have stopped her from stabbing and leaving Kai was the one thing he did not have, time.
And that’s what I mourn most with this ship, they never had enough time. They’re only alone in the prison world for 2 episodes before he gets sent back and she’s left there. And they’re only together back in the real world for about 2 episodes before she leaves him in 1903. They needed time that was never granted.
TL;DR: No, I don’t think that would have changed things.
Unnecessary Drama TVD 2×17 Review
I guess this could be the title of the show, but feel this is especially true with this episode because right from the jump things are dramatic and I don’t understand why starting with Jenna.
Okay so since I haven’t been watching this consistently so I might have missed some context clues but rage and betrayal???? Rage and betrayal about what Jenna? Like, I understand being mad that they kept it from her but other than that am I missing something for this dramatic reaction to Isobel just saying hi. Have they been lying about something she knows about now to build up to this point, but even if so I don’t understand this dramatic reaction. Fundamentally I know why she’s being like this, the writers needed an excuse to send Jenna away. However with in the context of the plot it makes absolutely no sense and makes her seem childish in ways she’s not supposed to.
And Elena, I guess I should be proud since she’s never seemed more like a teenager than now, but blaming John for this. What even logic? Does she remember the argument she had a few episodes ago with Stefan about getting Isobel and they ended up with John TO GET TO ISOBEL. Looks like you’re boyfriend’s plan worked. Now I’m not advocating that she be mad at Stefan but you want to be irrationally mad why not direct it at the right person. All John has done since getting to town is protect his daughter which frustrated me whenever she’d tell him “not after everything you’ve done” WHAT HAS HE DONE? Someone sincerely answer that question because I’m drawing a blank. It’s crap like this that fuels the mentality this fandom has of “you’re mean to my favorite character so your a bad person” because if Elena, the character the writers are so keen on me caring about, does this why would the fandom be better. So he tried to kill Stefan and Damon, his logic of protecting Elena still stands since they haven’t really done anything worthy of “I’m different” in terms of vampires.
Also, you know the more I rewatch this the more and more sympathetic I am towards John, and he seems more and more sincere. While I didn’t hate him in my first watch I was always suspicious of him and that’s because the characters of the show build this suspicion around him. Now knowing his endgame as a character I don’t buy into this suspicion anymore because he has always been honest and sincere about his motives as character and they never involve harming other people. He spent his who existence on making sure his daughter had a good life, he wasn’t about to let two vampires she “loved” ruin that. Granted not all teenagers are clueless and not all adults are always right, but in this instance teenage girl is clueless and needs to listen to the actual adults.
I’ve never really realized how little I care about Alaric and Jenna as a couple until episodes like these. He really never seems like he cares about her that much until he’s about to lose her which is a red flag in my book. And I guess that makes sense since there was really nothing to hold the ship together, it was just “you’re attractive” and “you’re attractive” and nothing went beyond that. They never had a deep connection and it shows in moments like these where he doesn’t care about her unless he’s about to lose her.
Ford product placement. I know I sound like the CinemaSins guy but they are really not subtle about this. It doesn’t actually surprise me much since when I used to watch it weekly back in the day I remember them doing this often especially with songs but it was always with the car. Before it was Bonnie’s Prius other than that I don’t remember what the car was I just remember “hey this is a great song” and then the network notified you what the song was playing. Product Placement! With this episode in particular it really bothered me with how they shot it because it pans to the rear of the car, shows the license plate, then like shows her in the car, and they make it seem really eerie like she’s about to get run into, or someone is watching her but neither are happening it’s just Ford product placement. It was like, thank you for this unnecessary scene and this unnecessary shot to please your sponsors.
For all of Carol Lockwood’s failings I’ll give her this: she notices when her kid is it’s missing which is more than I can say for most of the adult characters here. Did Jenna really even notice when they sent Jeremy away? I don’t recall the Sheriff being all that interested in where Caroline was for those days she was with Damon? I guess she wasn’t gone because they hid out at her place but seriously how didn’t she notice anything going on with her daughter then? And Jenna literally ups and leaves when she feels like it. It’s what made her death actually sad—her love for her son which I’m glad for since TVD does such a bad job with familial bonds, but she is the only character besides John to seem like an actual parent.
I still don’t understand why Jeremy is there. Like I always knew he was third wheeling it on their plans every time I guess it was nice it was always about Bonnie but other than that I was like, dude you have no function, what are you doing here? I mean I guess Damon doesn’t really need to be there, actually no, scratch that, he was needed to find the place and then after that he leaves which is what Jeremy should have of done.
Which idiot hid the moonstone? I bet it was Damon, but I don’t understand why he has it when Lucy gave it to Bonnie. Like I said I haven’t been watching consistent enough, the episode this occurs I watched over a year ago but I don’t remember Bonnie giving Damon or any Salvatore the moonstone. And can we talk about how lame the name is “moonstone” it gets more and more ridiculous the more everyone says it. It sounds like something written by a child. But serious I get he was going for “in plain sight” but the bathroom which is frequented by many people including one you let in who you don’t trust. Y’all shoulda left that with Bonnie who could at least seal it in a place with magic.
Why are Bonnie and the Bennett’s the only one to be put through pain, like they’re the only ones to have horrific deaths, and even worse, why do her ancestors insist on putting her through more pain?
I thought it couldn’t get more cringe worthy than when Damon was essentially reciting his lines earlier about trying to save Emily, but dear lord Matt. He doe not do anger well, he looks like someone told him, now, be mad, and gave the director the best he could muster up which isn’t great. But he did better with the deception, even though I knew where it was going I doubted myself for a moment and thought maybe he was sincere. And his conversation about Caroiline with her mother saying “I think she died” while was actually very touching also just reminded me of the many times Bonnie died and it’s never confronted but Caroline, who I’ve noted on many occasions is barely relevant to the plot, has this confronted multiple times and she only died once. Just saying–this blatant favoritism toward Caroline that tends to always result in Bonnie being treated less than human gets on my nerves so much I can’t even enjoy what would otherwise be a great scene.
I’ve seen a weird amount of hate for Isobel which I find weird. Not because she’s a good character or anything, but because of how much of a blimp she is on anyone’s radar. Even her actions compared to the others are so small. There could have been a nuance to her character and to a degree it’s there because her motives were clearly protect Elena, but beyond that she was always kind of lackluster. Also added with Nina’s acting, or lack there of, when she dies in front of her just makes me even more confused as to why anyone cared enough to hate her. Even when Elena is saying she’s sad I can barely believe it because well Nina doesn’t sound sad when she’s saying those line, she just sounds like she always does which is why always found it hard to empathize with her in the beginning of the show. The only reason I knew she was sad about her parent death was because she said it, there was nothing that really emoted this feeling. If she can barely muster up feelings of grief how am I supposed to even sympathize about it. That just distanced me from feeling like they were real people that were in her life, and just made them random fictional characters to add a tragic backstory. It’s really no wonder why I never really cared about Elena from the start.
“If you use to much power you die,” how doesn’t anyone else already know this? That’s literally what killed her Grams which brings me to Bonnie, she always knew this, saw it happen, but why is she so keen repeating history. If she truly believes her powers are meant for more then she should probably know that they were meant for more than saving Elena’s life. But of course this is The Elena Diaries so that’s never going to happen. Instead we’re going to have Bonnie’s mother risk her life and leave her daughter all to protect Elena, because that makes a lick of sense.
Bonnie their secret weapon, nothing has ever been more cringe worthy. Seriously watching Damon and Stefan discuss Bonnie like she’s an object they possess has never sat well with me. This is again one of those moments where I can’t get on board with Stefan as a character because he isn’t better, he’s just better than Damon and in this moment he’s proving to be the exact same as Damon if not worse because he’s the first to note this–he was the one to look back at the situation and point her out as their object leading the conversation there.
Klaus in Alaric’s body, you know I always felt he did possession bad especially in season 3, he just seemed like a creep and not in the way he was supposed to, but here he did an exceptional job. I almost wish Joseph Morgan had taken more cues from his portrayal because he managed to get the “ancient being” in his voice and mannerisms better. It’s like with JM they just told him “be British and use Shakespearean English” and called it a day. I’m not saying I didn’t like JM version of Klaus, but it’s clear where they started going wrong with this character. With the way Alaric is portraying him he is the most intimidating he’s ever been and that’s because everything built around him is actually living up to the hype. The show later just paints him as a whiny man with daddy issues and no real goals because trust me his plans get ridiculous after that and they dropped pretty much everything about Klaus from season 2. I probably would have enjoyed Klaus more if he had stayed this version, or at the very least did something worth while because I think we can all agree that the hybrid subplot was just a complete mess and pretty much marks when Plec took over as show runner because she has never been able to see the full picture. She just writes as she goes and hopes they connect at some point. psss, they never do.
Overall the episode was frustrating, but every episode is which is why I have to have at least two drinks before watching. Which I honestly don’t know why I do. I got drunk for the finale and that didn’t make anything seem even the slightest bet better, so why would it now. However in my defense, the finale is a complete incomprehensible mess so nothing was going to make it better in the first place.
👏🏼👏🏼 that’s what I mean. You cannot say anything other than praise and adoration for the rest of the cast because fans will attack you and start dumb hashtags in support of them. But that same energy is not kept for Kat, when she gets hate they ignore it and when she claps back or blocks people she’s the one that’s immature and unprofessional. And like you said they see her as undeserving of any success because she shouldn’t even be there in the first place.
Pretty much throw the whole fandom away honestly.
I agree with everything you said. Because Bonnie was a character that sacrificed everything for her white counterparts they have this weird thing that Kat, a black woman cannot be the successful one now tvd has ended because they’ve been accustomed to her getting the short end of the stick. I’ve seen Nina fans go to great lengths to make out as if Kat and Bonnie are nothing compared to Nina. It’s safe to say Candice is either done with acting or will stay on JP shows. 1/2
Ian is funny because he hates his ship but still attends cons to hear teenaged girls scream his name, but his fans think he can do no wrong. Paul fans come across as self righteous at times. They love to label Kat as problematic whereas Paul has mentioned his love for woody Allen multiple times. Which is another thing. Obviously I’m generalising because I don’t know all of them but one thing that’s apparent is that they cannot leave Bonnie/Kat alone, she’s always seen as a threat 2/2
And the funny part about it is that they only see Kat as the threat. I don’t see any of this hate when it comes to the other actors and when there is there’s always someone there to jump to their defense so they never even have to acknowledge it. Kat, much like Bonnie, has always had to fight her own battles, and that’s not to say she doesn’t have people coming to her defense, but the fandom gets real real quiet when something bad is said about her (or Bonnie for that matter).
To them she was never even supposed to be cast as Bonnie because of the color of her skin in the first place, so the fact that she’s having any success after that just kills them.
Aight y’all, imma get a beer and continue my rewatch of TVD. Wish me luck, I’m still stuck on season 2 😭😭😭
Who do you think had the shittiest fans in the tvd fandom? Or just annoying. Because when I tell you nian shippers can not let go of the past….
So I honestly didn’t pay attention that much to the actors irl and their fans but from what I’ve seen and experienced Nina’s fans seemed like the worst simply because of them all I’ve seen the most Nina fans drag down Kat and other actors from the show to simply make her seem better and I noticed the same thing from Elena fans. Like they’ve gone out of their way to do this and all they’ve proven is that Nina really needs people to prop her up, at least with the amount of harassment needed for people to “truly appreciate her”.
Ian’s fans have a school girl quality to them that just mostly makes them cringey which the same can be said for Damon fans. The amount of mental hoops I’ve seen them make to woobiefy Damon, and blame Caroline for what Damon did to her, they are the worst just on morality’s sake but the amount of just plane Damon fans I’ve seen isn’t that much they just mostly blur into Delena fans who honestly get their own category. Of them all they’re obviously the worst and from what I’ve seen have the lowest IQ.
Stefan fans, because I don’t really know much about Paul’s, while nowhere near the worst have a self righteousness to them which has always stopped me from completely liking Stefan because while I agree he’s the better brother, he isn’t better in general. Without the contrast of Damon, Stefan wouldn’t fair all that well.
Caroline fans (again not that familiar with Candice’s fans) weirdly make it up there with you Damon/Delena/Elena fans. I remember once I was in the anti-Bonnie tag researching the unfounded hate she gets and found that the majority of the posts there were from Caroline fans. I thought this was peculiar until I remembered that the first faction of the TVD fandom to hate on Bonnie was Caroline fans who felt Bonnie owed Caroline after she was turned. In later years the complaints didn’t stop, they even went as far as to call Bonnie a Mary Sue. I thought Damon fans were DElusional but to convince yourself that the magic negro of the show is a Mary Sie when Elena is right there, hell Caroline is right there, I’d almost have to give them the award for “most dense” if an entire faction of the fandom didn’t ignore sexual assault (Delena).
But I do have to give up to Nian fans. Reminds me of season 5 Delena. You keep shouting at them CUT YOUR LOSSES, THIS DOES NOT WORK, but damn they are adamant about that OTP at the detriment of the characters, and the actors. They both moved on to better things and so should there fans because there are so many better things they could do with their time than harrass people about a relationship that ended over half a decade ago.
However none will ever be as delusional, racist, sexist, you name it as Julie Plec fans because it’s her writing and the way she wrote her shows incited most of this. People can easily deny what Damon did to Caroline because Plec does. People feel perfectly fine saying racist things about Bonnie because that’s how the show presents her and every character of color. People feel fine about valuing the female characters only by who they’re dating because that’s all they’re valued as on the show. So people stanning Plec, claiming sexism as the reason for the flack she gets, and giving the pieces of shit I can’t even call mediocrity because that would be giving her too much credit attention–one can not get worse than that.
Anyway from my limited scope which is mostly from the perspective of a Bonnie fan who doesn’t really care about anything outside of her, this is what I’ve observed so I say decide for yourself who the worst fans.
Tbh, I can totally see Bonnie “prodigy” Bennett devising a method of killing Originals without the white oak stake. Drawing inspiration from Qetsiyah’s cure and the traveler’s anti magic field, she forges a weapon with the spell bound to it. A knife, maybe. Stabbing an original will have the effect of “undoing” the dark magic making them what they are. Sapping their strength, speed, withering it all away until they’re dust as age catches up with them in seconds
Quite honestly I can imagine any Bennett being able to undo the Originals spell since it was Ayanna’s spell and Esther had to channel Ayanna’s magic to do it. It’s probably like the PW where it’s a Bennett spell that only a Bennett can undo.
Different anon, but the think I’ve noticed is tvd fans rarely acknowledge Kat as part of the cast. Like most tvd fan pages never post about her and if they do it’s rare and always a comparison post. Instead they’ll post actresses from TO which is odd considering out of the whole cast Kat seems to be the one who interacts with fans the most. Then again they don’t really deserve her time.
I’m honestly not mourning these people not posting about Kat because like you said they don’t deserve her time and it’s not like it would be anything nice–it would be literally be exactly like why Kat is in the show. So Plec can essentially say “I’m not racist I have a black friend.”
But yeah, there’s this irrational hate towards Bonnie’s character that essentially devolves into “she’s mean to my favorite character” which of course trickles down into the fandom onto Kat. Most usually take the “of you don’t have nothing nice to say don’t say nothing at all” but others take to insulting Kat and usually in racist way because with all the changes from the book to the show the one the fandom fixated onnmost was that they made Bonnie black.
What about the fans? Have they always been dicks towards her or is it a recent thing? Like when watching tvd it’s obvious Bonnie is a token because they do nothing with her character unless it benefits the white characters but have tvd viewers always been trash?
Actually they were worse then. No one actually really paid attention to Bonnie until season 6 and that’s entirely because she became friends with Damon. But even then that sparked a bunch of racist tweets from Delena fans.
Before people were a lot more ignorant and blatant. It was basically like getting all the anon hate now, but then people actually linked it to actually blogs because they didn’t care if they sounded racist. This post which has quite a few links should give a gauge for what it was like then. It follows the events in fandom during season 3 right after they turned Abby, the most blatantly racist the show has ever been, so terrible that the show was boycotted.
Edit: Yhere’s also this post which is just more links to things from back then. Things were pretty intense.
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